I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Really? His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Ken Akerman God bless him wherever he is and good luck! In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Bob P And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. NYB Buff January 12, 2011 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. =Chuck= My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Cut him some slack. Mickey loved his Harley. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. senor ortiz The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Peter Doug S. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. June 11, 2003 That would make him a star in today's market. Mike B October 4, 2006 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Michael I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. November 3, 2006 We are going all the way!" Ken Akerman Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. - Now for the trade itself. Peter Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Lolich for Rusty Staub: As young Met fans this trade astounded us. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. No contest. body would be a pretty slender person. FREE SAME DAY DOMESTIC STANDARD SHIPPING on orders of $99.99 or more with coupon code "FREESHIP". Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Rusty played another decade. When I was a kid everyone had a second favorite team and for some reason the Tigers were mine. Mr. Sparkle Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Bobster1985 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). The second was in late August (8/29), and Lolich didn't have it that day, allowing 6 runs in 5 innings. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. feat fan Ramblin' Pete Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Mr. Sparkle Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. He later came back to play for the Padres. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. September 29, 2007 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. October 4, 2006 March 2, 2003 I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. November 3, 2006 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. September 25, 2013 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Raymond Malcuit He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. 6'1", 170???? He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Laura15yearoldmodel An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. And Rusty Staub? July 15, 2016 Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. July 31, 2002 Lolich went down in baseball lore by registering three complete game victories and securing the Most . In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. snook Mike B When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. ''When people ask for me and the girls say I'm in the backroom, I can hear them saying 'Tell me another story.' Feat Fan February 28, 2003 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Bartolo Colon etc). Shickhaus Franks Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. May 6, 2003 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Baseball burnt him out. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Rumor is they worked with Capone. December 20, 2019 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. April 30, 2009 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Mr. Sparkle 170 lbs.? December 8, 2006 Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Thomas: The erstwhile sphinx says what he thinks. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. January 12, 2011 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Trace the evolution of the Mets official uniform over the years. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. September 12, 2002 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. With the success of the SpaceX Crew Dragon launch did you know NASA had a Lake Orion graduate as one of their astronauts? Mike B Did you now the school in Gingellville was first named Coolidge School after then U.S. President Calvin Coolidge? Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Man, he was a big one. (thankfully returning in '81). bob saunders God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Raymond Malcuit Jr. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Rusty played another decade. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 6, 2012 January 12, 2011 What an interesting parallel, huh? However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. support. They buried many artifacts with the dead. Staub was one of our heroes and for the Mets to trade him for a guy that owned and operated (and apparently ate often at) donut shops in the off season was gut wrenching. Ramblin' Pete That would make him a star in today's market. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Mickey loved his Harley. September 12, 2002 Thanks for the memories, Mick! Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. He later came back to play for the Padres. Ron from Tampa But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. body would be a pretty slender person. Ramblin' Pete Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. The point is he made a bad team worse. He eats his product.' McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). November 12, 2006 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. August 11, 2015 feat fan As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. October 2, 2005 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Feat Fan September 12, 2002 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. =Chuck= Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. November 10, 2002 $4.99 shipping. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). March 5, 2006 November 12, 2006 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Dianna Jeanneh Jones In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. He pitched very good ball for you. Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Man, he was a big one. End of Line Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. bob saunders This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Peter November 12, 2006 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. October 4, 2005 Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. End of Line etc. June 30, 2019 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. May 9, 2002 Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Mike B I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Jamey Bumbalo December 13, 2007 That's pretty good this day in age. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Raymond Malcuit May 7, 2013 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Jamey Bumbalo Raymond Malcuit He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. mets While the Detroit Tigers spent the last few days preparing for their first World Series in 16 years, the man who pitched them to the 1968 championship baked more than 10,000 doughnuts. Raymond Malcuit Shari Lolich was a fine pitcher. August 7, 2018 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. April 27, 2013 September 25, 2013 Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Really? Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. 6'1", 170???? In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! He later resurfaced with the Padres. Michael Stephen Lolich was a Major League Baseball player who pitched for the Detroit Tigers (1963-1975), New York Mets (1976), and San Diego Padres (1978-1979). September 25, 2013 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. That would make him a star in today's market. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Still, he seemed nettled that bygone heroes sit nearer to the pigeons than the field. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. September 24, 2005 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Dianna Jeanneh Jones -He fought in the Civil War, wounded, then received a commission from President Abraham Lincoln. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. He refused to answer roll call at team meetings ("The coach could see I was right there"). Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He pitched very good ball for you. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. He has played in several PGA and Nationwide Tour events in the 1990s. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Shickhaus Franks He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. April 23, 2003 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. And Rusty Staub? He later resurfaced with the Padres. October 19, 2011 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Has anyone ate at these prior establishments? Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. September 25, 2013 NYB Buff God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mickey liked his doughnuts. August 7, 2002 April 23, 2003 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Strawberry Icing & Rainbow Sprinkles. eddiek Ken Akerman October 18, 2008 September 25, 2013 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Shickhaus Franks Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Jay April 23, 2003 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. LA-Mets As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. February 25, 2003 support. 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